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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us poetryman69.</description>
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		<title>By: poetryman69</title>
		<link>http://www.boom2bust.com/2008/04/03/analysts-gas-may-soon-cost-4-per-gallon/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>poetryman69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost all wars and terrorism in the world can be stopped.  Almost all dictators and tyrants can be rendered powerless.  All we have to do is to stop paying them.  An alarming amount of the money Western nations pay for oil is going into the coffers of people who are terrorists and dictators.  All we have to do defund the world’s most violent criminals is to become energy independent.  

In the first phase of energy independence we get as much energy as possible from resources which we own or which are in the hands of friendly, stable nations.  First we build new nuclear power plants in every state.  If the French can make nuclear work what excuse do we have?  If France’s success isn’t incentive enough, consider the success of Denmark, Brazil, and Australia in diversifying their energy supplies.  In addition, we drill for oil off all our coastal waters and we build new refineries and pipelines in every state.  We must burn more coal and use more natural Gas.  Existing energy companies are making plenty of money in the current climate of false scarcity.  We will have to find away around them.  Usually the way around greedy energy companies would require political will.  However, almost all existing politicians are in the pocket of the energy companies.  This includes democrats and republicans.  So every politician currently in office needs to be thrown out.  Anyone who works for or who owns an existing conventional energy company is in my view disqualified for public office.  We already know from the Bush/Cheney experience that such politicians will work in a way contrary to the national security of the United States and will start pointless wars for oil.  Every time a new oil war start conservatives get paid.  That is why no conservative supports plans to gain immediate energy independence.  

Merely having new politicians willing to clear the legal minefields laid down by oil bought senators and congressmen might not be enough.  We might have to get a little bolder.  Therefore I suggest that we build terawatts of new nuclear power plans and miles of new oil refineries in Mexico and that we send the power back to the states via pipelines, power lines, hydrogen, or whatever works.  This will provide work for Mexicans and energy for us.  The Mexican government will have a large incentive to make the plants secure and this increased security might even spill over to the borders and make our borders more secure.

While phase one is going on we need to start on phase 2.  In this phase we bring online as many green and renewable technologies as are currently viable and put as much money as is needed into producing more.   I would suggest that the model cities be built in the west and south—anywhere that it does not get cold enough to snow.  The idea is to build small towns or cities that will go cold turkey.  There will be no fossil fuels of any kind allowed in these cities.  All vehicles and houses will be powered by wind, solar and bio-mass.  The best locations would be those that have year around wind, sun and enough farming in the area to produce the bio mass.  These experimental towns would be off the power grid.  The only way to get power to them would be to make the green and renewable technologies work.   Volunteers who truly believe that the future is green would be invited to apply for residency.  We would probably take engineers and farmers over other types because we would need people who were skilled in keeping the power conversion machinery going and others who don’t mind the get their hands dirty hard work of farming.  Another part of the second phase will involve green government.  In a free society you can not tell free citizens they must go green.  But you can tell government at all levels that it is prohibited from using non domestic sources of energy and non domestic products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost all wars and terrorism in the world can be stopped.  Almost all dictators and tyrants can be rendered powerless.  All we have to do is to stop paying them.  An alarming amount of the money Western nations pay for oil is going into the coffers of people who are terrorists and dictators.  All we have to do defund the world’s most violent criminals is to become energy independent.  </p>
<p>In the first phase of energy independence we get as much energy as possible from resources which we own or which are in the hands of friendly, stable nations.  First we build new nuclear power plants in every state.  If the French can make nuclear work what excuse do we have?  If France’s success isn’t incentive enough, consider the success of Denmark, Brazil, and Australia in diversifying their energy supplies.  In addition, we drill for oil off all our coastal waters and we build new refineries and pipelines in every state.  We must burn more coal and use more natural Gas.  Existing energy companies are making plenty of money in the current climate of false scarcity.  We will have to find away around them.  Usually the way around greedy energy companies would require political will.  However, almost all existing politicians are in the pocket of the energy companies.  This includes democrats and republicans.  So every politician currently in office needs to be thrown out.  Anyone who works for or who owns an existing conventional energy company is in my view disqualified for public office.  We already know from the Bush/Cheney experience that such politicians will work in a way contrary to the national security of the United States and will start pointless wars for oil.  Every time a new oil war start conservatives get paid.  That is why no conservative supports plans to gain immediate energy independence.  </p>
<p>Merely having new politicians willing to clear the legal minefields laid down by oil bought senators and congressmen might not be enough.  We might have to get a little bolder.  Therefore I suggest that we build terawatts of new nuclear power plans and miles of new oil refineries in Mexico and that we send the power back to the states via pipelines, power lines, hydrogen, or whatever works.  This will provide work for Mexicans and energy for us.  The Mexican government will have a large incentive to make the plants secure and this increased security might even spill over to the borders and make our borders more secure.</p>
<p>While phase one is going on we need to start on phase 2.  In this phase we bring online as many green and renewable technologies as are currently viable and put as much money as is needed into producing more.   I would suggest that the model cities be built in the west and south—anywhere that it does not get cold enough to snow.  The idea is to build small towns or cities that will go cold turkey.  There will be no fossil fuels of any kind allowed in these cities.  All vehicles and houses will be powered by wind, solar and bio-mass.  The best locations would be those that have year around wind, sun and enough farming in the area to produce the bio mass.  These experimental towns would be off the power grid.  The only way to get power to them would be to make the green and renewable technologies work.   Volunteers who truly believe that the future is green would be invited to apply for residency.  We would probably take engineers and farmers over other types because we would need people who were skilled in keeping the power conversion machinery going and others who don’t mind the get their hands dirty hard work of farming.  Another part of the second phase will involve green government.  In a free society you can not tell free citizens they must go green.  But you can tell government at all levels that it is prohibited from using non domestic sources of energy and non domestic products.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.boom2bust.com/2008/04/03/analysts-gas-may-soon-cost-4-per-gallon/#comment-1379</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Mammoth.  Never heard of that Reagan story--- interesting.  

"All I am saying is that we SHOULD be much farther along the path of energy independence by now."

Wholeheartedly agree with you there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Mammoth.  Never heard of that Reagan story&#8212; interesting.  </p>
<p>&#8220;All I am saying is that we SHOULD be much farther along the path of energy independence by now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wholeheartedly agree with you there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mammoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mammoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Like I said, resolving the energy issue isn’t that simple. Think about it- if it were, Americans would have figured it out during the last energy crisis"
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Please remember that President Carter was moving this country toward increased energy independence, with his support of alternative energy research like solar power.

When Reagan came into office he had the solar panels (that were installed on the roof of the White House) removed in a symbolic snub toward alternative energy.  He was a big supporter of nuclear as well as Big Oil.

So in response to your comment, some Americans did indeed figure it out during the '70's energy crisis, but were pushed aside.  Aren't we paying dearly for this now!

(Disclaimer:  In no way am I saying that this nation's transportation fleet will run on solar power.)

All I am saying is that we SHOULD be much farther along the path of energy independence by now.

-Mammoth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like I said, resolving the energy issue isn’t that simple. Think about it- if it were, Americans would have figured it out during the last energy crisis&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Please remember that President Carter was moving this country toward increased energy independence, with his support of alternative energy research like solar power.</p>
<p>When Reagan came into office he had the solar panels (that were installed on the roof of the White House) removed in a symbolic snub toward alternative energy.  He was a big supporter of nuclear as well as Big Oil.</p>
<p>So in response to your comment, some Americans did indeed figure it out during the &#8217;70&#8217;s energy crisis, but were pushed aside.  Aren&#8217;t we paying dearly for this now!</p>
<p>(Disclaimer:  In no way am I saying that this nation&#8217;s transportation fleet will run on solar power.)</p>
<p>All I am saying is that we SHOULD be much farther along the path of energy independence by now.</p>
<p>-Mammoth</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Steve.  

"I saw over at the Daily Local that several of their Wawa’s are even offering a discount to customers who pay with cash for gas..." 

That used to be the case in the Chicagoland area at some stations, but I haven't seen that around for years.  As a matter of fact, it jarred my memory once you mentioned it.  It may be good for the consumer, but like you mentioned, you then have to wonder how much the credit card companies are charging that would bring back this kind of scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Steve.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I saw over at the Daily Local that several of their Wawa’s are even offering a discount to customers who pay with cash for gas&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>That used to be the case in the Chicagoland area at some stations, but I haven&#8217;t seen that around for years.  As a matter of fact, it jarred my memory once you mentioned it.  It may be good for the consumer, but like you mentioned, you then have to wonder how much the credit card companies are charging that would bring back this kind of scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats worse is that its not just the oil companies who are making a killing on this but the credit card companies are making a fortune now too. I saw over at the Daily Local that several of their Wawa's are even offering a discount to customers who pay with cash for gas instead of cards because the credit card fees they have to pay are so nutz.  Thats crazy if you ask me, I've worked with the MPC and to have raising gas prices and ridiculous credit card fees hitting us and small business like gas stations at the same time it is more that we should be expected to put up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats worse is that its not just the oil companies who are making a killing on this but the credit card companies are making a fortune now too. I saw over at the Daily Local that several of their Wawa&#8217;s are even offering a discount to customers who pay with cash for gas instead of cards because the credit card fees they have to pay are so nutz.  Thats crazy if you ask me, I&#8217;ve worked with the MPC and to have raising gas prices and ridiculous credit card fees hitting us and small business like gas stations at the same time it is more that we should be expected to put up with.</p>
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